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Sasha <stervaa171@meta.ua>
30. Juli 2009 um 21:25
 
Hallo, ich bin neu hier und habe noch ein paar Schwierigkeiten, wie ich mich hier zurecht finde. 
Ich denke aber, dass ich hier richtig bin.
So weit es mir mit meinen geringen Kenntnissen möglich war, habe ich meine Angebetete versucht als Scammer zu finden, 
was mir jedoch nicht gelang. Meine Zweifel sind damit noch nicht weg. Dating Scam? Traveller Scamm??? 
Hier ein paar Auszüge von ihren Briefen. Vielleicht kann da einer von euch etwas herausfinden oder kennt sie schon.
Danke


 

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Hello, dear friend xxxx!! Thank you very much for your message!!!
I will be happy tom know you more and maybe we will have the common
future…I hope so…I don’t know you at all, but I can say that I have
very serious intentions…in Internet, I want find my beloved man…in
future – my husband…I want build strong and of course happy
relations…I want to have the children…if you want the same from this
life and our communication particularly – we can find the common
language!!! Well, what about myself, as you read already I guess, my
name is Alexandra, but as usual all my friends and relatives call me
Sasha, so you can do the same! Smiley)) I’m 26 years old, birthday is on
the 13 of June! And when is yours, dear xxx??? Which season is
your favorite??? As for me it’s difficult to answer…but summer I like
for sure!!! Smiley)) I live in Ukraine, I think you read this already too,
my native town is Lugansk, this is East part of my country, maybe you
heard about this place? If you want in my next letter I can tell you
more about it everything, maybe it will be interesting for you…Here
I’m graduated from Pedagogical Institute, and now I’m working as a
designer in one small firm, we are making the design projects for
houses and apartments, very interesting work for me, because from
early childhood I like to paint and make something with my own hands,
in my room there are a lot of handmade subjects of an interior, I
dream that in future, when I will have my own family, we will live in
some small house or apartment and I will make by myself everything
there…with love and care and tenderness for my dear people and of
course with help of my husband! Smiley)) I live here alone, my father left
me and my family, when I was small girl and mother died 4 years ago. I
miss them very, very much, dear xxx…maybe now without having real
and happy family, maybe exactly because of this…without love and
tenderness I feel desire to find the beloved man and build the
family…I’m really ready for this, and I hope I will be successful in
it…if you want the same I will be waiting for your answer with great
impatience, dear xxx!!! Sasha

 


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Hello, dear xxx!!! Thank you very much for your answer!!! I read
it greedily, because it was really very interesting!!! I think we can
have something in common in future, but for to be sure we need time!
Do you agree with me??? Well, how is your day??? Everything is fine,
dear xxx??? I hope so…I was working all day long! Smiley)) We have
one client, who just built a house, not very big, but he wants make
this very beautiful and comfortable and now my duty is to make the
design of baby room, in this family there is a small child – girl of 5
years!!! You know it’s so interesting for me now…this is first time
when I’m making baby room, but I think I will be successful in it! I
had some time for to speak with this baby, she is so sweet, so
tender…real girl!!! Smiley She likes so much the different “girl’s stuffs”
and I’m sure she will be happy to live in an environment of birds,
butterflies and pastel tones!!! How do you think, I’m right??? It
should be a little surprise for her!!! Smiley)) To tell the truth, I like
the children very much…maybe that is why for me this task is very
simple and interesting!!! As usual when I’m working I’m listen to
music, my tastes in music is a little bit inconsistent…I like Bob
Marley and Frank Sinatra…I adore classic music and “Rolling
Stones”…and you??? Do you like it, dear xxx??? The same about
literature and cinema…almost everything is depended of my mood!!! Smiley))
And of course painting, it’s inseparable part of my work, hobby and my
life too…can you write me a little bit more about yourself, sweetheart
xxx??? I will be very, very happy!!! And of course I will be
happy for your answer with greatest impatience!!! Sasha




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Mail:

Hello and good day to you, dear xxx! I write a letter to you,
hoping, that you are fine, because I really worry about you, my honey
xxx! It was pleasant to get your new letter, there as a lot of
interesting there!! You are really an outstanding person and you know,
I haven’t met such men before. Our communication is really valuable
for me, it seems, that I know you for ages! It seems that there aren’t
those kilometers, separating us…yes, dear, really we had wonderful
birthday party with our friend...what about the nicest gift for me...i
don't know even...i think the main which what feeling it was
presented, if from all heart - then iw will be the best gift for me!!!
Some hours ago I watched a film. It was about a couple, who overcame
all the difficulties to be together!!! In the end of the film they
were the happiest people, because they were together! I want to tell
you, dear Xxx, that in one minute I imagined, that there weren’t
actors, but we, overcoming difficult situations to be together! You
may say that it’s a romantic gossip, but it’s true, I really imagined
us together… and… I liked my dream…Smiley)) It made me believe, that I’ll
finally find my happiness and my Only Man, with whom I can build a
family and a real love very, very soon… It’s not my aim, it’s not my
goal- it’s the biggest dream of my life and I believe, that one day it
will come true… And what do you dream about, my dear friend Xxx,
tell me, your dreams and thoughts are so interesting for me! I really
want to learn your inner world deeper… Waiting for the answer, 100
kisses, Sasha




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Mail:

My honey, my dear, my sweet Xxx…You know I feel really like that!
I wait your letter with impatience, like crazy….! I wait your reply
and I hurry to write you back, because it’s the only hope don’t lose
my love man in this world! Tell me pleas what do you think about that?
Your feelings are the same as mine, dear Xxx? yes, really
sometimes i have a lot of work, and i need to do it on the weekends or
during my free time...but this is not very problematic for me, because
now i haven't my own family and i don't need to care about somebody
except myself, but i'm sure when i will have my beloved husband and
children, everything will change! well, it was very nice to know such
"sweet" opinion about myself from your friend. please, let him know
that i know English and i don't need any translator! but in the same
time i think i can understand him...because he is your best friend and
he cares about you...i would like to meet with him too in person when
we will be together with you in real life...for show him who i'm in
reality...say him hello, ok? Thank you very much for your invitation
to come to you, of course I will be happy to meet with you in person
and to know you better in real life!!! I think on my holidays, it will
be possible to arrange our meeting, but unfortunately, right now I
don't know the exact dates! You know this day very is confused for me:
now I write you this letter without know what you think about that,
it’s really difficult for me…. And before, with me one story happened.
You know I go to work by bus, and I want to tell you that in our
country the criminal situation is very difficult: for example somebody
can to rob you in the street, simply pull out your purse, or in the
market and you can’t to do nothing, because if you start shout they
beat you!!!!! And in the bus, when a lot of people go at the same time
side by side, it’s very simply to steal something and you will
understand it only when you alight in the stop! It’s crazy country!
So, today when I alighted in the stop, after me alighted an old woman,
she saw that her bag is cut and there is not her purse, she cried, and
said that there was all her pension! Can you imagine this poor woman
and that person, who didn’t pity even an old woman?!!!!!! It’ really
terrible and the worse is that we can’t to prove nothing!!!!!!! She
cried and through her sobbing that it was her last money!!!! What
could I do for help her, dear Xxx???? I gave her some my
money…I’m not rich, and I can’t to give her much! Maybe I was not
right but I’m sure that it’s better than nothing and better than
simply sympathize with somebody and go on! So, I don’t know your
opinion about that all, but I hope that you support me, dear Xxx!
It was my day, difficult and happy at the same time, because I saw
your reply! Write me back as soon as possible, I’m waiting, dear
Xxx! Your Sasha


P.S.  Dear, with your letter you sent me some files, i can't open them
unfortunately!




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Mail:

Hello, my sweet baby Xxx!!! Nice to get your new letter…I miss
you very much….Dear, sorry, i just had not opportunity to write you
earlier, i had some problems at my work and that is why i was very
busy! Dear, really the story of your grandparents is very nice...i
would like to have the same in my life! what about my love
experience...yes, i had the relations in past, but i was not happy in
it, he was unfaithful to me...i don't like remember about it...i hope
with you everything will be by other way! I want very, very much to
meet with you, unfortunately, right now i can't answer when exactly
will be my holidays, my boss didn't tell me any exact dates, but if
this is not comfortable for you to meet with me in the beginning of
August, i will try to postpone my holidays a little bit, ok? Don't you
mind i will go to travel agency and i will find out what is necessary
for me for come to you, ok? my sweet sunshine, you know I met today
with one my friend, we went to cinema…as usual we spoke about
everything, all topics between girls…but it’s me who thought like that
Smiley, because in twenty minutes she told me smiling: “he caught you”, it
turned out that almost in every sentence I mentioned about you, my
dear Xxx!! Smiley Frankly speaking, she is not fist who told me
something similar…my friends told that my eyes shine…my colleagues ask
what I’m thinking about when I’m looking to somewhere far…and at last
this my friend….you see: you make it with me…so, we watched “Phantom”,
do you like horror films, my honey Xxx? I’m not great fan, but
sometimes I can watch it, especially if it’s not stupid bloodshed…Did
you hear the legend about the souls which by some reasons, they can’t
leave the place or person which was important for their life or
death…the same happened in this film, the story pass in Japan, young
couple came there, he is photograph and during his work, almost every
day he found the spoilt photos, with a lot of white spots…trying to
find the truth his wife, and she found out that a few years ago he had
girl friend, it was strong feeling, but after some time he stopped
loving her…and by this his behavior he leaded her till suicide…of
course it was crush of their marriage…but it was not finish of the
“relations” between hero and his Japanese girlfriend…I’m not sure that
in my interpretation it was frightfully Smiley, but it was really very
interesting….you know I would like to watch it with you in the
darkness…and keep your hand and hide face in your shoulder, when I
will be scared…would you like it? Or we can go to cinema, but watch
something romantic??? Do you like my idea? Kisses, my baby Xxx!!!
Your Sasha




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Klingt ja soweit alles sehr gut, aber nun der letzte Brief (das waren schon noch einige mehr) 
Auf diesen Brief habe ich noch nicht geantwortet und sie hat auch noch nicht geschrieben.



Mail:

My sweet, my tender baby Xxx!!! You can’t imagine how I want to
meet with you, I live this hope and this thought…I spoke about this
trip to all my family, to my friend, they are so happy that I will
meet with such man as you are…..baby, unfortunately, right now this is
impossible for me to come to you and stay with you forever, first
visit can be just for some limited time, but later if we will decide
to be together with you, i come and we will be together!!! You know I
went to travel agency for to know what I need for to come to you. So,
there they told me that I need international passport and visa for to
go abroad, but it wasn’t news for me, but the prices were for me
really big news, but no good!!! As for visa, it costs 128 euros, and
about passport: if I want to have my passport in 1-2 week, I must pay
504 euros, if I want to have it 3-4 weeks it will be about 357 euros,
and if I can wait 2-3 months I must pay 217 euros, my dear you can’t
imagine how I’m sad, because really I never had travel and I never
could imagine that the prices will be so high!!! Dear Xxx, they
told that if we will make my documents in this travel agency, they
will make for us big discount for tickets, but I didn’t ask them all
the details, because I haven’t now even international passport for
book it! I never complained on my life, but my salary doesn’t allow me
to pay for this documents! And I never could to suppose that I need
your help in it, but I haven’t other way out in this situation! Please
don’t think that I need your money, I need you and only you, and I
want to see you as soon as possible!!!... You know for me it’s very
difficult to ask you about it….but tell me, pleas can you help me in
this problem, if not; I will wait your coming for me!!! I love you my
honey, and I want to see you so much!!! Tell me, please, what you
think about it, my sweetheart Xxx!!!! I kiss you many times!!!!
Your Sasha




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Was denkt ihr so darüber?

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Mail:

You can=92t imagine how I want to
meet with you, I live this hope and this thought=85I spoke about this
trip to all my family, to my friend, they are so happy that I will
meet with such man as you are=85..baby, you. So,
there they told me that I need international passport and visa for to
go abroad, but it wasn=92t news for me, 
will make for us big discount for tickets, but I didn=92t ask them all
the details, because I haven=92t now even international passport for
book it! I never complained on my life, but my salary doesn=92t allow me
to pay for this documents! And I never could to suppose that I need
your help in it, but I haven=92t other way out in this situation! Please
don=92t think that I need your money, I need you and only you, and I
want to see you as soon as possible!!!... You know for me it=92s very
difficult to ask you about it=85.but tell me, pleas can 


Vielen Dank,

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Re: Sasha <stervaa171@meta.ua>
Antwort #1 - 30. Juli 2009 um 21:59
 
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Die Mails kommen alle aus der Ukraine:

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Für mich ist die Gute zu 100 % Scam - eine normale Frau würde dich niemals um Geld bitten.


Ich kenne zwar die Preise für den Pass in der Ukraine nicht, aber ich bin sicher, sie sind bei weitem nicht so hoch.

Das Visum für Deutschland kostet jedenfalls 35 Euro - nicht 128 Euro

Biete ihr doch an, zu ihr zu kommen - wäre interessant was sie von dem Vorschlag hält.

Ich kann dir nur raten kein Geld zu ihr zu schicken !!!
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Antwort #2 - 30. Juli 2009 um 23:35
 
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Zitat:
Im übrigen ist mir im Quelltext etwas aufgefallen Weiß einer,was das bedeutet?


Meinst du das?:  =92

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haven=92t - entspricht haven't
usw.

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Antwort #4 - 31. Juli 2009 um 07:24
 
Razor Buzz schrieb on 30. Juli 2009 um 21:59:
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Die Mails kommen alle aus der Ukraine:

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Für mich ist die Gute zu 100 % Scam - eine normale Frau würde dich niemals um Geld bitten.


Ich kenne zwar die Preise für den Pass in der Ukraine nicht, aber ich bin sicher, sie sind bei weitem nicht so hoch.

Das Visum für Deutschland kostet jedenfalls 35 Euro - nicht 128 Euro

Biete ihr doch an, zu ihr zu kommen - wäre interessant was sie von dem Vorschlag hält.

Ich kann dir nur raten kein Geld zu ihr zu schicken !!!


Was den Preis des Visums betrifft, hast du sicherlich recht, da ist man bei einer "schnelle" Austellung mit ungefähr 85 EUR dabei, und bei den Reisepässen wird sowieso zugeschlagen.In Anbetracht dessen, dass die Frau ja auch noch in Ihrer Agency nach den Preisen angefragt hat und die ja auch noch mitverdienen wollen, erscheinen mir die Kosten für alles als ziemlich realistisch. Ich habe ihr geschrieben, dass ein Ukrainischer Freund von mir sich mal um sie kümmert. Stimmt zwar nicht aber mal sehen.
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Re: Sasha <stervaa171@meta.ua>
Antwort #5 - 31. Juli 2009 um 12:16
 
@ Tastenhauer

Ich weiß nicht, wie lange du dich mit ihr schreibst.
Aber bei meinen echten Kontakten, dauerte es 2-4 Monate bis zum ersten Treffen.
Außer E-Mails gingen dem Telefonate, private Chats mit Yahoo oder Skype, oder auch
"Telefonate" darüber bzw. Videogespräche voraus.
Und, ich bin zu ihnen geflogen. Grundsätzlich sollte der Mann zuerst die Dame
seines Herzens besuchen. Es ist zwar mit Flug und Hotel/Wohnung nicht billiger als
die Kosten wenn sie kommen würde, aber man kann sicher sein, dass das Geld nicht
aus dem Fenster geworfen ist. Sollte der Besuch schief gehen, kann man das wenigstens
noch als Städtereise verbuchen.
Den echten Frauen war es sehr recht, dass ich kam, denn sie fühlten sich in ihrer Stadt
und bekannter Umgebung doch etwas sicherer. Die Frauen sind auch nicht doof und erkundigen
sich im Internet über die Erfahrungen von Frauen mit Männern, speziell im Ausland.
Wenn du Russisch kannst, kann ich dir einen Link für ein russisches Frauenform senden. 
Was die Frauen über ihre Erfahrungen mit Männern, auch im Ausland, erlebt haben, 
kann man dort nachlesen. Das war oft nicht "Gentleman like", was Kerle so abgezogen haben.

Wie Razor Buzz schon hingewiesen hat:
"Was kostet ein Visum?
"Ein Schengenvisum für ukrainische (aber auch albanische, bosnisch-herzegowinische, mazedonische, moldawische, montenegrinische, serbische und russische) Staatsangehörige kostet 35 Euro."


Smiley

Das müsste auch diese "Frau" wissen und verlangt trotzdem 128 Euro?
Agenturen für die Visa- und Dokumentenbeschaffung sind nicht so teuer wie du denks.
Ich weiß nicht wie das in der Ukraine ist. Aber in Omsk waren das weit unter 100 Euro,
inklusive der Terminabsprache mit der Botschaft, der Sammelfahrt von Antragstellern
zur deutschen Vertretung in Novosibirst, der Krankenversicherung u.a. natürlich werden 
die Passkosten um so teurer, je schneller es gehen soll. 
Aber echte Frauen würden nicht unbedingt solchen Druck machen.
Es sei denn, sie wären Lehrer und hätten nur die Sommerferien.
Und wenn "Frauen" 4 Wochen kommen wollen, sollen sie mal erklären woher sie den
ganzen Urlaub nehmen, der Boss das akzeptiert und sie sich einen unbezahlten
Urlaub überhaupt leisten könnten.

Meine persönliche Meinung: Das "Stück" kannst du getrost in die Tonne haun.

Mein persönlicher Tipp: Schau dich nach Frauen in einer realistischen Altersgruppe um, 
vielleicht 5-12 Jahre jünger. Von den unter 30-jähreigen die mir geschrieben haben, war
noch keine echte dabei. 

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Re: Sasha <stervaa171@meta.ua>
Antwort #6 - 31. Juli 2009 um 23:19
 
mibiene schrieb on 31. Juli 2009 um 12:16:
Und wenn "Frauen" 4 Wochen kommen wollen, sollen sie mal erklären woher sie den
ganzen Urlaub nehmen, der Boss das akzeptiert und sie sich einen unbezahlten
Urlaub überhaupt leisten könnten.

... und natürlich, wer die 50 Euro pro Reisetag aufbringen soll! Das wären noch einmal 1400 Euro, die sie vorweisen müsste, um überhaupt ein Visum zu bekommen.
  
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Re: Sasha <stervaa171@meta.ua>
Antwort #7 - 15. Dezember 2011 um 06:38
 
Ich habe Bilder von diese hübsche Dame auf meinen alten Computer gefunden.  Smiley 
 
"Sie" hat mir damals geschrieben mit die Mailadresse privlekatelnaya100@rambler.ru.
"Ihr" Name war Irina. Ich habe nur noch diese 12 Bilder.  
Ich werde die Bilder im Anfangsbeitrag einstellen.



https://www.romancescam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=22299

https://www.delphifaq.com/faq/russian_marriage_scams/f1326.shtml?p=638
  
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